Transcript: AAC — 30 Oct 2025 (Q&A)
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WEBVTT 00:00:00.460 --> 00:00:05.300It looks like everything is working, so at least it is working on my end. 00:00:05.300 --> 00:00:10.620 If you are in the chat, please let me know if there's any trouble with the audio or anything like that. 00:00:10.620 --> 00:00:15.320 I don't have any headphones in, since I'm not listening to anyone on my end. 00:00:21.463 --> 00:00:33.443 So with a couple of the questions that I have here, I'll start with, one is, let me pull up the exact wording here, since I don't currently have a way to show it on the screen, so I will just read it. 00:00:36.543 --> 00:00:38.223 Question is, what motivates you? 00:00:38.223 --> 00:00:43.403 Does stone choir keep you pressing forward? 00:00:43.403 --> 00:00:47.223 And the short version is one word, truth. 00:00:47.223 --> 00:00:48.723 Truth is what motivates me. 00:00:49.003 --> 00:00:56.663 My desire is to see that the truth is out there, to see that the truth is defended, and to see that people believe the truth. 00:00:56.663 --> 00:01:00.843 It's one of the reasons that we did the episode on being convincing, for instance. 00:01:00.843 --> 00:01:10.763 It's important not only to portray the truth, not only to deliver the truth, but also to defend the truth in a way that encourages other men to believe the truth. 00:01:12.003 --> 00:01:16.263 And so, primarily, yes, it would be the truth that does motivate me. 00:01:17.063 --> 00:01:23.143 Of course, there's also the fact that I simply have this sort of personality, where I'm not going to leave this sort of thing alone. 00:01:23.143 --> 00:01:32.763 When I encounter something that is false, my inclination is to correct it, or at least figure out why it is false, and then, of course, correct it. 00:01:32.763 --> 00:01:36.823 It's simply sort of a personality trait from a number of different things. 00:01:36.823 --> 00:01:39.423 Part of it is the Germanic ancestry, of course. 00:01:39.423 --> 00:01:41.383 The Scottish adds to it a little bit, too. 00:01:41.383 --> 00:01:43.723 There's a confrontational aspect there. 00:01:43.723 --> 00:01:45.623 There's the fact that I have an intj personality. 00:01:45.903 --> 00:01:55.583 Certainly, I am inclined to care more about the truth than about the fact that it is going to inevitably offend some people, because that's simply the reality of it. 00:01:55.583 --> 00:02:04.143 There will always be those people who are offended by the truth, particularly if you state it in a blunt way, which sometimes you have to do. 00:02:04.143 --> 00:02:06.883 You don't always have to state the truth bluntly. 00:02:06.883 --> 00:02:08.783 Sometimes it's important to be tactful. 00:02:08.783 --> 00:02:12.463 Sometimes it's important to lead people slowly into the truth. 00:02:13.323 --> 00:02:22.123 But a lot of times, it's important to shock people out of the rut in which they have found themselves, or not found themselves in more cases. 00:02:22.123 --> 00:02:28.223 And in shocking them out of that, you can get them to actually consider what it is that you're saying. 00:02:28.223 --> 00:02:38.903 And so, yes, Stone Choir in part does encourage me to keep pressing forward, because obviously it's a very good outlet for talking about these issues that are very important. 00:02:38.903 --> 00:02:40.363 But I would probably be doing this anyway. 00:02:41.863 --> 00:03:01.763 If I weren't doing Stone Choir and I didn't have a public persona, if I didn't have all of my views out there in the open, so my website and my ex-account and all these other things, Telegram, if I didn't have that, then I would probably be practicing law, and no one would know my name outside of the area of law in which I was practicing anyway. 00:03:01.763 --> 00:03:07.423 But that is sort of no longer an option at this point, as most of you probably know. 00:03:07.423 --> 00:03:15.203 The second question, sort of a change of pace and tone here, I guess, is really about two different things. 00:03:15.223 --> 00:03:24.263 One is the morality of suicide, and then secondarily, specifically, the specific case of Hitler's suicide, the morality of that. 00:03:24.263 --> 00:03:27.243 And so I'll start first with the general case. 00:03:27.243 --> 00:03:30.663 Is suicide an unforgivable sin? 00:03:32.223 --> 00:03:36.843 The answer for Christians is pretty straightforward, because Scripture says there's only one unforgivable sin. 00:03:36.923 --> 00:03:38.463 That's the sin against the spirit. 00:03:38.463 --> 00:03:39.383 It's unbelief. 00:03:39.383 --> 00:03:42.563 If you die in unbelief, you go to hell. 00:03:42.563 --> 00:03:44.543 Very simple, very straightforward. 00:03:44.543 --> 00:03:47.883 And so, suicide is not the unforgivable sin. 00:03:47.883 --> 00:03:52.363 I'm just going to pull up Twitter here quickly, X, whatever you want to call it. 00:03:53.783 --> 00:04:01.063 Suicide not being the unforgivable sin means that suicide is not necessarily or per se damning. 00:04:01.063 --> 00:04:14.223 I, quite frankly, firmly believe there are situations in which suicide is the right course of action, not just an acceptable course of action, but the right course of action that will lead into answering the more specific case. 00:04:14.223 --> 00:04:18.943 But it's going to depend on the person and the circumstances. 00:04:18.943 --> 00:04:30.203 So, for instance, if you are a man and you have the chance to fight to the death, say you're in an actual battle, a war situation, then perhaps you should fight to the death. 00:04:30.203 --> 00:04:44.063 But if you are someone else and you are going to be tortured for some indeterminate amount of time, particularly horrible torture, then it may be that the suicide option is the right way out. 00:04:44.063 --> 00:04:46.043 And I know that many Christians don't want to hear that. 00:04:46.043 --> 00:04:54.543 They've been told their whole lives, pretty much mostly in the Roman Catholic traditions, but a few others as well. 00:04:54.543 --> 00:05:01.283 Mostly because they've imported things from Rome on this particular issue with regard to this doctrine. 00:05:01.283 --> 00:05:03.783 Because Rome sort of teaches that it's an unforgivable sin. 00:05:03.943 --> 00:05:10.043 The logic of Rome is that if you commit suicide, you don't have the chance to repent. 00:05:10.043 --> 00:05:16.863 Well, the problem with their doctrine of repentance, and I know that I'm getting off on a tangent here a little bit, but it's important because it's related. 00:05:16.863 --> 00:05:25.043 The problem with their doctrine of repentance is that most likely, we are all going to die having not repented of something. 00:05:25.043 --> 00:05:42.403 Because unless you happen to have the good fortune to die in your bed with a pastor at your bedside to hear your final confession, you're probably not going to have repented of all of the sins you committed, at least that day up to the point you die, because we all commit sins all the time. 00:05:42.403 --> 00:05:45.723 Because don't forget that concupiscence is itself also sin. 00:05:45.723 --> 00:05:48.723 The desire to sin is sin, not just active sin. 00:05:48.723 --> 00:05:53.723 So even if you're bedridden at the end of your life, you're still going to have sinful desires. 00:05:53.723 --> 00:05:56.163 And perhaps you die without confessing those. 00:05:56.163 --> 00:06:00.963 You don't have to confess all of your sins in order to be forgiven. 00:06:00.963 --> 00:06:03.903 Your sins have already been forgiven. 00:06:03.903 --> 00:06:09.323 The issue with regard to confession and sins is when you have an impenitent sin. 00:06:09.323 --> 00:06:12.023 It is something you're holding on to. 00:06:12.023 --> 00:06:16.063 It is some sin that you sort of made your own and decided, no, this one is mine. 00:06:16.063 --> 00:06:17.943 I'm not going to let God have this one. 00:06:17.943 --> 00:06:20.123 I'm not going to repent of this one. 00:06:20.123 --> 00:06:22.103 This is something I want to keep doing. 00:06:22.103 --> 00:06:23.183 That's impenitence. 00:06:23.183 --> 00:06:24.063 That's a different thing. 00:06:24.903 --> 00:06:28.883 And so, suicide does not necessarily damn. 00:06:28.883 --> 00:06:38.763 The logic that Rome employs to argue for that end, to argue for that conclusion, would put basically all of us in jeopardy. 00:06:38.763 --> 00:06:41.583 And that is simply not what scripture teaches. 00:06:41.583 --> 00:06:51.383 Now, in the specific case of Hitler and his suicide in the bunker, and I do believe that he committed suicide, I don't believe that he escaped to Argentina or whatever else. 00:06:51.383 --> 00:07:00.983 I don't really care if people believe one way or the other, I think it's better to believe that he did commit suicide for various reasons, and I think the argument, the evidence, much stronger. 00:07:02.143 --> 00:07:05.263 But that's not the most interesting case there. 00:07:05.263 --> 00:07:08.603 The most interesting case really is Goebbels and his family. 00:07:08.603 --> 00:07:13.283 But in the case of Hitler, I'll deal with that one first, because it's sort of the easier case. 00:07:13.283 --> 00:07:17.103 It's certainly the easier case for people to hear. 00:07:17.103 --> 00:07:21.863 In the case of Hitler, his suicide was the right thing to do. 00:07:21.863 --> 00:07:28.103 And the reason that it was the right thing to do, is because he was the leader of a defeated nation. 00:07:28.103 --> 00:07:41.563 The only thing, literally the only thing that lay ahead of him, was torture being paraded around as a war trophy by the Soviet Union, one of the most evil things ever to exist politically in history. 00:07:41.563 --> 00:07:55.743 Rivals, certainly any of the ancient empires, Babylon, the Aztecs, anything like that, being paraded around by them as a war trophy to demoralize the German people further, and basically everyone else who had fought on that side of the war. 00:07:55.743 --> 00:08:00.123 And quite frankly, they would have probably done horrible things and demoralized the West as well. 00:08:01.143 --> 00:08:08.883 So he had a duty to his people, and his duty to his people necessitated that he preclude them from having that opportunity. 00:08:08.883 --> 00:08:11.723 And that's exactly what he did by committing suicide. 00:08:11.723 --> 00:08:13.923 Now I know that I'm currently streaming this on YouTube. 00:08:13.923 --> 00:08:16.983 I don't have the DVR functionality listed. 00:08:16.983 --> 00:08:19.803 I'm not trying to be monetized, of course, but I'd like not to get a strike. 00:08:20.483 --> 00:08:22.843 But I'm going to be frank about these topics. 00:08:22.843 --> 00:08:24.663 Perhaps I won't stream to YouTube in the future. 00:08:24.663 --> 00:08:25.003 I don't know. 00:08:25.003 --> 00:08:28.223 It depends on their policies and how they view this sort of thing. 00:08:28.223 --> 00:08:32.723 So I'll try not to get too far off into that sort of territory. 00:08:32.723 --> 00:08:35.503 That being said, the next one is the harder case. 00:08:35.503 --> 00:08:39.663 And it's the harder case largely because it's emotional for people. 00:08:39.663 --> 00:08:46.003 It's not because it's the harder case, say, logically or rationally or even theologically. 00:08:46.003 --> 00:08:47.843 It's not that hard of a case. 00:08:48.623 --> 00:08:57.803 But the question is, was it right for Gebel's to kill his family before he committed suicide? 00:08:57.803 --> 00:09:06.743 And really, the question is, you have to take a step back, and you have to look at what is happening in the bunker at that time, in this situation, because what are the options? 00:09:06.743 --> 00:09:08.523 You need to look at your options. 00:09:08.523 --> 00:09:12.303 I'm not saying that consequentialist morality is always correct. 00:09:12.303 --> 00:09:15.503 I'm not saying that deontological morality is always correct. 00:09:15.503 --> 00:09:17.083 I think both of those are important. 00:09:17.443 --> 00:09:25.523 I think you should look at the nature of the act itself, whether the act itself is moral or immoral per se, because sometimes that's true. 00:09:25.523 --> 00:09:28.023 There are certain things you simply cannot do. 00:09:28.023 --> 00:09:30.983 Killing is not one of them, notably. 00:09:30.983 --> 00:09:34.543 Killing is not something that is always per se immoral. 00:09:34.543 --> 00:09:37.123 Murder is per se immoral. 00:09:37.123 --> 00:09:42.003 And so the question is, is it murder or is it not murder? 00:09:42.003 --> 00:09:45.123 Which really comes down to a question of what is a moral warrant for killing? 00:09:45.943 --> 00:10:00.883 And I think in that particular situation, he was right to do what he did, because his options were give his children the cleanest death that he possibly could, or basically hand them over to the Soviets. 00:10:00.883 --> 00:10:06.323 And I won't go into the details, because quite frankly, they're lurid and Christians shouldn't even want to hear them. 00:10:06.323 --> 00:10:14.003 Sometimes it's necessary, because of course we need to realize how evil the world is, and look evil straight in the face, and accept the reality of it. 00:10:15.363 --> 00:10:25.243 But, for various reasons, you can guess some of them, I won't go into the specific details, but we all know what would have happened if his children had fallen into the hands of the Soviets. 00:10:26.043 --> 00:10:39.143 The same sort of thing that happened to so many German and Czechoslovakian and various other women, mostly women, and children in the aftermath of that war. 00:10:39.143 --> 00:10:41.363 The same thing would have happened to his children. 00:10:41.363 --> 00:10:43.383 He was faced with a horrible set of decisions. 00:10:44.463 --> 00:10:47.023 His choices were awful. 00:10:47.023 --> 00:10:53.843 All he had to choose from was kill his own children, or permit them to fall into the hands of monsters. 00:10:55.443 --> 00:11:08.083 I think that he did the right thing, because I think he picked the least bad option, and I don't think it qualifies as murder, because I think there are times where killing is necessary, and I think that was one of them. 00:11:08.083 --> 00:11:11.143 We recognize this to some degree in some places. 00:11:12.003 --> 00:11:18.463 For instance, no one actually objecs to a soft form of euthanasia. 00:11:18.463 --> 00:11:32.803 I won't say no one, of course, because there's probably someone out there who does, but the specific kind that I have in mind is the form of euthanasia, where we basically give someone so much painkiller that death is inevitable. 00:11:32.803 --> 00:11:34.243 And there are times where that's necessary. 00:11:34.243 --> 00:11:45.523 For instance, someone who has a large part of his body burned in a fire, there's nothing we currently, with current medical technology, can do for that person. 00:11:45.523 --> 00:11:53.263 Literally, all we can do is give him as much morphine, or something stronger these days, as possible to try to dull the pain. 00:11:53.263 --> 00:11:55.223 That's it, that's all we can do. 00:11:55.223 --> 00:12:07.163 And in fact, we wind up giving those people so much that we know they are going to die from an overdose, but that is better than the horrendous pain of having third degree burns over 70% of your body. 00:12:08.263 --> 00:12:10.123 And so, is that euthanasia? 00:12:10.123 --> 00:12:19.343 The answer, of course, is yes, because strictly speaking, it is literally the killing of a person, but with a good intent. 00:12:19.343 --> 00:12:27.523 Now, the question, of course, is does it matter if your intent is to kill the person, or if your intent is to relieve pain? 00:12:27.523 --> 00:12:31.783 There's a distinction there, but I don't think it's a distinction that really matters in this case. 00:12:31.783 --> 00:12:46.283 Because if you do something with the intent to do something good, but you know that it will necessarily eventuate in the death of that person, that is essentially morally indistinguishable from that intent to kill. 00:12:46.283 --> 00:12:48.263 If the end is a good end, of course. 00:12:48.263 --> 00:12:50.643 I'm not saying you can do this for a wicked end. 00:12:50.643 --> 00:12:51.623 These are edge cases. 00:12:51.623 --> 00:12:54.463 These are difficult questions to answer for most men. 00:12:54.463 --> 00:12:55.843 I recognize that. 00:12:55.843 --> 00:12:59.643 And I recognize that most Christians are not particularly fond of these sorts of answers. 00:13:00.603 --> 00:13:10.583 But, when you are involved in that sort of war, or when you have horrendous burns all over your body, it's certainly an edge case. 00:13:10.583 --> 00:13:14.463 And there are going to be times where there are no good options. 00:13:14.463 --> 00:13:19.183 There's not going to be, this is obviously the best and the moral option, we have to do this. 00:13:19.183 --> 00:13:24.283 It's going to be a set of terrible options, and you have to pick the least terrible one. 00:13:24.283 --> 00:13:32.083 And I don't think that as Christians, we are prohibited in all cases, from enacting euthanasia. 00:13:32.083 --> 00:13:41.503 I do think that we don't get to do it because someone is sad, or someone is in a little bit of pain, or someone is going through a rough spot in life. 00:13:41.503 --> 00:13:46.383 In those cases, we have better treatments, we have things we can do for those people. 00:13:46.383 --> 00:13:53.963 The person who's in a bunker in Berlin in the 1940s, surrounded by the Soviets, doesn't have another option. 00:13:53.963 --> 00:13:59.163 The person who has third degree burns over 90% of his body, doesn't have other options. 00:13:59.163 --> 00:14:08.683 There are times where there are, again, no good options, and you have to do the best thing that you can do in the situation with what you have been given. 00:14:10.463 --> 00:14:15.143 We'll check the replies here and see what else we have. 00:14:25.027 --> 00:14:38.367 First one that I see here, X is not the best platform for trying to do this live, but, what is the best way to answer slash refute the God is not finished with Israel mantra? 00:14:41.067 --> 00:14:51.847 We have touched on this in a number of different episodes, of course, undoubtedly the one on dispensationalism, chief among them, but also dealing with the Israelites, Hebrews, Jews, et cetera. 00:14:53.727 --> 00:15:08.567 The question of whether or not God is done with Israel, and of course, here we mean ethnic Israel, which is, say, the Jews, Old Testament Israel, which the problem with Old Testament Israel is it no longer exists, of course. 00:15:08.567 --> 00:15:10.247 God destroyed it. 00:15:10.247 --> 00:15:12.627 Christ was very clear, destroyed in 70 AD. 00:15:12.627 --> 00:15:15.807 That was the end of Old Testament Israel. 00:15:15.807 --> 00:15:19.787 That was actually the final destruction of the last bit of surviving Hebrew, incidentally. 00:15:19.867 --> 00:15:22.907 That was when the scrolls were burned on the temple steps. 00:15:22.907 --> 00:15:32.867 But how do we deal with the question of whether or not God has some future return of the Jews to the land? 00:15:32.867 --> 00:15:35.987 Was that a fulfillment of prophecy? 00:15:35.987 --> 00:15:38.407 And, of course, the answer is no. 00:15:38.407 --> 00:15:39.947 And we all know that the answer is no. 00:15:39.947 --> 00:15:48.327 But how do we get those who believe that that was prophecy, a fulfillment of prophecy, to see that it was not? 00:15:49.607 --> 00:15:53.807 And part of that is, of course, properly defining Israel. 00:15:56.127 --> 00:16:04.307 If we don't properly define Israel, we are going to find it difficult, virtually impossible, to get anywhere on any of these issues. 00:16:04.307 --> 00:16:10.707 Most people, when they see Israel, think the Jews. 00:16:10.707 --> 00:16:14.807 They simply think, oh, every single time it says Israel, it must be the Jews. 00:16:14.807 --> 00:16:15.687 And that's simply not true. 00:16:15.847 --> 00:16:25.047 If you actually read through the Old Testament, and pay attention to what is being said in the Old Testament, clearly, many of the times, it's not the Jews. 00:16:25.047 --> 00:16:29.627 In fact, quite frankly, probably most of the time, it's not the Jews. 00:16:29.627 --> 00:16:32.667 Israel has always been the believers. 00:16:32.667 --> 00:16:42.927 Israel has always been the Israel of God, those who are believers in either the Messiah who was to come, or now, the Messiah who has come. 00:16:43.727 --> 00:16:47.587 And so, the true Israel is not the Jews. 00:16:47.587 --> 00:16:49.587 It's never been the Jews. 00:16:49.587 --> 00:16:59.627 For a period of time, you had Old Testament Israel, and the purpose of Old Testament Israel was very specific and very limited. 00:16:59.627 --> 00:17:09.887 It was the fulfillment of the promise of a Messiah from the line of Abraham, of course, through the line of Israel, through the line of David. 00:17:09.887 --> 00:17:10.607 That was fulfilled. 00:17:11.867 --> 00:17:14.047 That's it for the Jews. 00:17:14.047 --> 00:17:16.607 That was the only promise they had. 00:17:16.607 --> 00:17:23.447 Now they had other contingent promises, conditional promises, and that's one of the big things here. 00:17:23.447 --> 00:17:30.767 There are many who will say, well, all of these promises, look at all of the promises that God has for the Jews, and yes, let's look at them. 00:17:30.767 --> 00:17:32.327 They're conditional. 00:17:32.327 --> 00:17:41.027 They say, if you are faithful, if you follow my rules, if you follow my commandments, if you do not worship other gods. 00:17:41.027 --> 00:17:49.727 And then look at what usually comes after that as well, because usually what follows those promises is all of the curses when you don't obey. 00:17:49.727 --> 00:17:52.647 In fact, oftentimes, the curses are longer. 00:17:52.647 --> 00:17:54.707 The curses are more extreme. 00:17:54.707 --> 00:17:59.287 God goes so far as to say that he will walk contrary to them for evil. 00:17:59.287 --> 00:18:01.647 God threatens to destroy those who do not obey him. 00:18:01.647 --> 00:18:03.607 The same thing applies to us. 00:18:03.607 --> 00:18:14.907 Incidentally, when you start to read the Old Testament correctly, one of the things that you get to see is that so much of this, so many of these things, apply to us today. 00:18:14.907 --> 00:18:24.047 These are not just promises and curses for some people in the distant past living over there, and this doesn't have any meaning for us, right? 00:18:24.047 --> 00:18:31.667 No, this has meaning for us, because those are the very same sorts of promises and curses that apply to us if we are faithful or faithless. 00:18:31.667 --> 00:18:44.767 And so when someone tries to basically get rid of all these promises that apply to the church, that apply to Christians, what they're really doing is they're saying, oh, the Old Testament doesn't apply to me. 00:18:44.767 --> 00:18:51.627 It's a sort of weak form of Marcionism, saying that the Old Testament is a different sort of book. 00:18:51.627 --> 00:18:53.027 It's for a different people. 00:18:53.027 --> 00:18:54.227 It's a different God, right? 00:18:54.227 --> 00:18:56.827 That's the God of Old Testament Israel. 00:18:56.827 --> 00:18:59.487 My God as a Christian, right, is the New Testament God. 00:18:59.487 --> 00:19:00.067 That's Jesus. 00:19:00.587 --> 00:19:01.487 He's a nicer God. 00:19:01.987 --> 00:19:05.647 He's not the fire and brimstone God of the Old Testament. 00:19:05.647 --> 00:19:07.367 And that's just not true. 00:19:07.367 --> 00:19:09.167 That's entirely false. 00:19:09.167 --> 00:19:12.087 It's the wrong way to look at these things. 00:19:12.087 --> 00:19:22.027 And so the short answer really is you want someone, if he's willing to do so and capable of doing so, to look at the actual promises in the Old Testament. 00:19:22.027 --> 00:19:29.967 You will find that basically all of them, except for the promise of the Messiah, are contingent, are conditional. 00:19:30.627 --> 00:19:32.627 They're not a blanket promise. 00:19:32.627 --> 00:19:36.647 God is just going to do all these great things for you, regardless of what you do. 00:19:36.647 --> 00:19:39.767 Those are not the sort of promises that God makes. 00:19:39.767 --> 00:19:45.427 Because those who receive good things from God are those who are in Christ. 00:19:45.427 --> 00:19:49.867 And the way you're in Christ in the Old Testament, of course, is belief in the Messiah who is to come. 00:19:49.867 --> 00:19:54.447 And our belief today is in this Messiah who has come. 00:19:54.447 --> 00:19:58.927 But all of these promises, all these good things apply to you only if you are in Christ. 00:19:59.567 --> 00:20:04.387 God does not give good things to evil people. 00:20:04.387 --> 00:20:09.467 That's not to say, I'm not saying, you know, prosperity gospel or nonsense like that. 00:20:09.467 --> 00:20:12.167 Because, of course, no Christian believes that. 00:20:12.167 --> 00:20:13.667 That's clearly false. 00:20:14.727 --> 00:20:16.467 Do bad things happen to good people? 00:20:16.467 --> 00:20:17.487 Yes. 00:20:17.487 --> 00:20:19.287 Do good things happen to bad people? 00:20:19.287 --> 00:20:19.647 Yes. 00:20:19.647 --> 00:20:22.007 There is a sort of natural good in the world. 00:20:22.007 --> 00:20:24.507 You know, the rain falls on the wicked and the righteous alike. 00:20:25.527 --> 00:20:38.687 But, the promises of long-term good, the promises of all of these blessings down through generations, do not apply to those who are wicked apostates who worship other gods. 00:20:38.687 --> 00:20:39.867 And we see that. 00:20:39.867 --> 00:20:42.147 Look at the various nations of the world. 00:20:42.147 --> 00:20:49.227 The ones that apostatized very early on, and worshiped demons for thousands of years, are clearly cursed by God. 00:20:49.227 --> 00:20:59.487 They are much worse off than those of us who belong to nations that were faithful for much longer, and then were faithful again when the New Testament reached us. 00:20:59.487 --> 00:21:01.687 Faithful for a thousand years. 00:21:01.687 --> 00:21:03.107 Fifteen hundred years. 00:21:03.107 --> 00:21:05.327 Almost two thousand years in some cases. 00:21:07.727 --> 00:21:15.627 And so, when someone brings up Israel, it's important first to point out that Israel is not the Jews. 00:21:15.627 --> 00:21:17.687 Israel is the Israel of God. 00:21:17.687 --> 00:21:20.547 And of course, you can look at Romans for that. 00:21:20.547 --> 00:21:21.507 There are various places. 00:21:22.007 --> 00:21:36.587 I know that sometimes, they will try to argue with regard to Romans that those who are of Israel but not of Israel are believing Jews versus unbelieving Jews. 00:21:36.587 --> 00:21:38.387 That's clearly not what the text is saying. 00:21:38.387 --> 00:21:52.127 What the text is saying is that you have Jews who are Old Testament Israel, physical descendants of Israel, ethnic Israel, and you have the church. 00:21:52.127 --> 00:21:54.087 You have spiritual Israel. 00:21:54.087 --> 00:21:56.127 You have the Israel of God. 00:21:56.127 --> 00:22:05.827 Not all of those who are descended lineally by blood from Jacob, from Israel, belong to the Israel of God. 00:22:05.827 --> 00:22:07.767 We very clearly see that. 00:22:07.767 --> 00:22:12.567 Look at what God does to many, if not most, of the Israelites in the Old Testament. 00:22:12.567 --> 00:22:19.027 He sets them on fire, He plagues them with disease, He sends snakes after them, He swallows them up with the earth. 00:22:19.027 --> 00:22:20.727 These people did not go to paradise. 00:22:20.727 --> 00:22:23.507 These people do not all get into heaven. 00:22:23.507 --> 00:22:33.507 And so, when it says, all Israel will be saved, well, it can't mean ethnic Israel, because not all of ethnic Israel was saved. 00:22:33.507 --> 00:22:38.087 In fact, probably most of them in the Old Testament went to hell. 00:22:38.087 --> 00:22:44.387